Curse

Nodakim · Apr 13, 2009, 08:10 PM // 20:10

You dont get it.
First of all,boycotting this has "alterior" motives.
The thing is,they are selling every little thing for real money.
You want skills!5$
You want storage space!10$
You want 100? 20 $
You want premium accounts! 50 $

Thats about how it goes.A few "free" MMOs have already experienced it.
First it is realy too much,secondly it is even worse because it doesnt give a advantage,because that means it is a thing that should have been done when the game first came out!
Your ignorance is making me /sign this.

REDdelver · Apr 13, 2009, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Using "optional" as an argument DOES NOT work. Everyone alreadys knows its optional. That does not solve the issue one bit.

The issue is whether the option is worth the money.

Its fair to say its not worth the money due to the fact that you can buy a whole content for the same price. You can buy a whole extra character slot for the same price. Those are examples of solid reasons possibly against the $10 per panel.

Come up with real reasons why the price fits the product or doesn't fit the product.

KIDGOOCH · Apr 13, 2009, 08:19 PM // 20:19

If the pane is $10 or a new char is $10 wouldn't you just buy the new char to use a pack animal. Once you give it the extra bags the new char has more storage doesn't it, and its get a mini every year just for standing around (I have a 3 year old mesmer in Ascalon lvl 3 with full bags now). Not sure point of the poll other than will you or won't you buy extra storage, I guess I would if I coouldn't buy any more chars (of course I still have two more accounts to load up with junk *ahem* PRICELESS TREASURES)

Stockholm · Apr 13, 2009, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

I have to get involved in this thread.

Selling extra storage is just another step in Anet's movement to completely selling everything in the game for real money. They have already begun selling in game items/skills/slots and now they have moved on to selling "conviences". People need to stop with this "conviences" argument and get into their head that this nothing more than selling players a way to get around the game shortcoming of low storage capacity. We have moved far beyond the days of them just selling accounts.

I will not be shocked at all if many things in GW2 will be available for purchase from the beginning. This is the direction Anet has chosen.

Many people here are using the argument that it is ok because it is optional. This is a stupid argument for several reasons. What if god mode was optional for purchase? Would that be ok too? Also, it was optional for Anet to give us extra storage for free and they didn't. The idea that being optional in and of itself makes it ok is dumb. You have to give us better reasons.

Other people are saying that since there is no monthly fee it is fine for Anet to charge us for optional conviences. Hmm ok...but lets think for a second. For starters Anet lied to us because they explicitly stated in the past on numerous occasions that they would never sell in game items/conviences/etc. I will pull the quotes if I must, but it shouldn't be neccessary.

They should just come out and admit that they have changed their stance due to need of more money. They should come out and admit to us that their marketing system wasn't good enough on its own and they changed it along with everything else.

There are a lot of people who bought this game with the idea that in game crap wouldn't be sold for real money. I remember the good old days when skill was supposed to be the determining factor of everything in the game. Now I can spend real money to get anything I need in the entire game without even having to play. I can get infinite zaishen keys, infinite characters, infinite storage, infinite skills and items, and hell I can even buy a gold cape if I want to (not directly from Anet but I can sure as hell trade the items I bought from Anet and put in my bought storage from Anet to trade for one).

The worst part is the conviences (such as UAX and storage) should have been in the game from the beginning. The fact that they are being sold and it is ok is just sad to me. Anet selling storage is the equivalent of Blizzard selling an update that allows you to select more than 12 units in Starcraft. There would be a public outrage, but with Guild Wars it is ok! Anet has suckered all of you. Yes I know this post has went on several tangents, but I am trying to get my point across. I personally did not buy Guild Wars for all these optional purchases. If I wanted a game where I could buy everything in the game I have plenty of other options. Selling storage is just another step in Anet's path to selling everything. To me this is not what Guild Wars was supposed to be.

Not one thing they are offering is NEEDED for you to play the game.
Everything being SOLD is things that the PLAYERS have ASKED for, and are as far as gameplay goes irrelevant.
You want the BLING, pay for it.

joshuarodger · Apr 13, 2009, 08:30 PM // 20:30

dumb thread is dumb

CyberNigma · Apr 13, 2009, 08:54 PM // 20:54

I think some of the people here would really flip out if they found out I spent money on a universal remote control even though I already had a remote control for everything, or an expensive KVM for my computers (expensive at this resolution - 2560x1600) even though I could have just switched cables every time I wanted to use another computer (or used VNC/RDP for that matter since its local).

Yeah, I have a budget that includes luxury expenses. Convenience is a luxury and I'm all for it. 10 dollars per slot may not be optimal, but it's not a rip-off in my mind (for some making minimum wage they value the dollar differently than me since it's harder to come by) and it sure beats the hell out of switching characters or accounts back and forther to move stuff around.

10 dollar account (run or switch between 2 clients) < 10 dollar character slot (log out of current character and switch through mules to find what I'm looking for) < 10 dollar tab (it just works) in my mind. I can afford to be lazy and not be inconvenienced. If it was 20 or 50 dollars per tab, then even I may have problems with the convenience/value ratio, though someone in a much larger pay category than me may disagree.

remember, the "I am Rich" app did sell. to me that was a waste of moeny, but to the people that had more money than they knew what to do with, it wasn't a waste because their socks probably cost more than that (hello Ms Hilton).... value is always relative to the amount you have compared to the amount you need. kids don't value it until their parents won't pay for it, then their value is skewed because they don't have any. people with money don't value it as much as those that don't because they have a surplus. I'm off work today, but judging by the forums I take it there are a lot of non-workers here or at least people that have plenty of time in the middle of the day (excepting those surfing from work) :-)

Obrien Xp · Apr 13, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

The Beatles made this simple:

Let It Be

jadedragoon · Apr 13, 2009, 09:55 PM // 21:55

/not signing till I see the update and how it affects the game. Also not sure what "various sizes means" as in how large/small.

Grj · Apr 13, 2009, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamWind

I will not be shocked at all if many things in GW2 will be available for purchase from the beginning. This is the direction Anet has chosen.

Good point here, thing is i got a feeling for gw2 anet will deliberetly skimp on storage for and just sell extra storage in the store.

Of course anet gonna give the playerbase a free storage upgrade, it makes people forget that more and more stuff is making its way via the online store.

There's now nothing to stop anet skimping on game features and selling it in the store, if its optional its ok right?

Nodakim · Apr 13, 2009, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grj

There's now nothing to stop anet skimping on game features and selling it in the store, if its optional its ok right?

Ultimate argument.

The Meth · Apr 13, 2009, 10:06 PM // 22:06

MotherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing Anet giving me a free bag slot on all of my characters, giving a xunlai storage upgrade, AND THEN having the audacity to charge me money if I want even more storage. Next thing you know they will be trying to make money and start a business or something.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grj

There's now nothing to stop anet skimping on game features and selling it in the store, if its optional its ok right?

There has never been anything stopping them from doing that on day 1 of the guild wars store. But they haven't. Go whine to Capcom who decided to charge $5 to unlock the multiplayer mode of RE5, Anet has yet to charge for actual game-relevant features.

CronkTheImpaler · Apr 13, 2009, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Nodakim=wants everything for free. <how exactly do you think these guys meet payroll? i mean they are entitled to meet budget right? If you want free play runescape. OOOPS thats not free either. you listed all these "OPTIONS" you need to pay a SMALL fee for. note the CAPS on OPTIONS and SMALL.

to GRJ. A-net is entitled to do whatever they like with Guild Wars. it belongs to them. They simple sell you a liscence to use it. If they decide to charge for OPTIONAL features, thats for them to decide. so to answer your sarcastic question. yes it is ok if its optional. until you are a stockholder in the company you can just excercise your rights as a consumer. No more no less.

Most avid gamers spend countless thousands on games and expansions over the years yet cry like 5 year old girls when a game that has no monthly fee charges a few bucks for OPTIONAL game upgrades.

whatever

Cronk

Boneyard Spleeneater · Apr 13, 2009, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drauss

/not signed

Arenanet is a business like every other business. They aren't charging you a monthly fee and any purchase is optional. They aren't in business to be your friend, they are in business to make money.

Yes, and their business model relied on selling new content every six months or so, which they dropped in order to bring us GW2. GW2 is delayed, so they dropped the ball.

Quote:

I will be buying multiple tabs for my account. I support Arenanet because I want the updates to continue and understand that development costs money and this is a way to raise capital for replacing machines and bandwidth. It ensures the standard of content is kept at a high quality.

What is this, a bake sale? I will pay $4.00 for a box of Girl Scout cookies because they are a non-profit organization. ANet is in business to make a profit.

If I go to a restaurant, it doesn't matter how much I like the owner; if he tries to charge me $25 for a peanut butter sandwich, I am going to laugh and walk away. If he wants to charge me $25 for gnochi in a hazelnut cream sauce with a side of steamed asparagus, well then I'll play ball.

Quote:

You all want to play and none of you want to pay... Shame on you all... The person that pays the least complains the loudest I guess.

I will not just give my money to a company because I like them. There has to be value there. If ANet charged $3-5 for the tab, I could see myself buying it. If they offered another expansion for $20, I may purchase it. That is the support I will give the company. If they say, "We are closing the servers because we are broke, give us money," I would say thanks for the good times and go play Team Fortress 2. They are not giving us free gaming, we had to buy the game. They simply didn't follow up on the business model they had, which was a 'pay for new content' model. That is their mistake, not ours. We kept our end of the bargain (by buying the campaigns, character slots, extra accounts, etc.), and maintaining the play environment is theirs.

I think the point is that people have paid a lot of money, in various forms, and haven't recieved considerably new content. Granted, a lot of people complain about stupid crap. There is a big difference though between complaining and constructive criticism; when you pay for something, you have every right to have an opinion on it.

For those who say we should be forever grateful to ANet, I feel like those are the same people who are always happy to have whatever scraps are tossed their way in life. I prefer to let my displeasure be known. If we are vocal in what we are unhappy with (and for that matter, are very happy with), it allows ANet to provide a better product in the future at a price that more people will pay. In the end, I hope it makes them profitable, and us happy gamers. There is no reason we can't both win in this scenario.

ele pl · Apr 13, 2009, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Please, never compare Guild Wars to ANY free MMORPG with "pay to item/bonus" option. Storage, unlock packs DOES NOT give you advantage over others in terms of balance. Premium items in every single free MMORPG does. See the difference?

First, when i saw "9,99 for storage" thingy, i was kinda suprised, but then i though "hey, nice idea, keep it on!". And i still think like this. Its fair option. You get free storage upgrade too, if you want moar, go ahead and buy it. Except one thing - it should be cheaper than character slots, cuz that makes no sense.

vandevere · Apr 13, 2009, 11:04 PM // 23:04

I see now problem with it. Especially as they're also giving up a Weapons/armor storage, and that, I believe, is free.

So, my character storage will be automatically less stressed because of that, and if I need extra panes of xunlai storage, I'l simply buy that one pane at a time.

As things stand, I don't see myself buying any panes soon. But it's nice to know the option's there for when I'll need it...

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 13, 2009, 11:54 PM // 23:54

who the hell really cares... they're trying to get some more profit, since they are not making another chapter. Who the hell do you think has to pay people to run the damn servers of the games you play.

Don't like it? don't buy it.

Schmerdro · Apr 13, 2009, 11:59 PM // 23:59

I have 10 PvE characters and each of them has at least 3 armor sets.This update will be giving me more than enough extra storage space, even if I don't get that one free Xunlai tab.

If you don't like the price, then go buy a char slot which gives more storage for your money and a free mini-pet every year.

A-Net gave us more free storage and some buy-able storage. For that, I am thankful.

oscarmac · Apr 14, 2009, 12:11 AM // 00:11

/Not Signed.

The game is free to play. Charge for all the extras.
$10 Extra Characters
$10 per Extra storage panes
$10 to change facial features / hairstyle
$25 to change character names
etc...

If you don't want to pay, enjoy playing the game for free, and thank Anet for the opportunity.

Tramp · Apr 14, 2009, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boneyard Spleeneater

What is this, a bake sale? I will pay $4.00 for a box of Girl Scout cookies because they are a non-profit organization. ANet is in business to make a profit.

Yeah...right.... Out of $4.00 box of girl scout cookies, the girls get to keep about 16% or $0.64. The rest goes to the money grubbing businesses (about $1.00 to the bakery, and about $2.36 to the national girl scout council for adminstrative costs...ie. their paychecks and benefits). So if I have a choice between $4.00 box of girl scout cookies and $10 Anet purchase, in my opinion there is no difference, the money is essentially going to businesses to make a profit. Better to donate the $4 straight to the girl scout local troop so they get 100% of the money. And with Anet, you have a choice to buy or not to buy. I like the business model myself. Charge for upgrades instead of monthly fees. I think $10 is pushing it, but that is personal opinion. This is probably a marketing test for GW2 to see just how much people will pay for various upgrades.

Give me a choice between donating $4 to the cute little girl scouts directly (not falling for the cookie profiteering scam), or giving my $4-5 to Anet for another page of Xunlai... hmmm... well... I guess I won't hear the little girl scouts crying on the other side of my front door when I slam it shut and run back to my 'puter.

persuadu · Apr 14, 2009, 12:34 AM // 00:34

If we get something for free with the option to buy more, thats great, but I have to say that $10 is a little pricey for what you get. $5 seems a bit more reasonable.